NEW Morel Link Style HR Lifters!

[Ed Curtis]

For those of you who would rather toss those plastic lifter holders, here's Morel's latest RACE hydraulic roller lifters.

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[Stang's Bane]

Ed, What is the Price????

[Ed Curtis]

Ed, What is the Price????

Morel Link-Type Hydraulic Roller Lifters: $535

[CollinsAuto]

Ed i sent you an Email about lifters.

Sean

[Black_Knight]

For those of you who would rather toss those plastic lifter holders,
Friggin plastic... :strokin:

Noted for the future.

But I swear I have seen designs that ditch the plastic but don't cost $535...

[High VE]

You are aware of the name Morel and what they offer in roller lifter design and technology, right?.

You do get what you pay for and these things take some abuse.

Currently working on a nasty LS6 prodject with a solid roller grind from Ed, along with these lifters. Will be over 8000 rpms and Much needed spring pressure. I wouldn't consider anything but.

Mike Theroux
www.mikesportingservice.com

[Black_Knight]

You are aware of the name Morel and what they offer in roller lifter design and technology, right?.

Absolutely. Not knocking them. If you're going all out then they're worth every penny, I'm sure.

But not everyone needs that much. Some just don't like the reliability issues with the stock plastic.

[High VE]

No prob man. Didn't think you were knocking them. But their just another novelty with the Gen3 engine that is much needed! Especially when running solid rollers on the street.

[Black_Knight]

No prob man. Didn't think you were knocking them. But their just another novelty with the Gen3 engine that is much needed! Especially when running solid rollers on the street.

Heh, you're not kidding there. We are definitely in a very sweet place right now, with the aftermarket for these engines. Like the old 5.0 stuff once was.

[SLED28]

Ive never had a plastic tray failure in 425 LSx buildups. The link bar will just add weight to your drivetain and slow things down and possible creating valve float earlier. There's a good discussion about it on *******....

[Ed Curtis]

Ive never had a plastic tray failure in 425 LSx buildups. The link bar will just add weight to your drivetain and slow things down and possible creating valve float earlier. There's a good discussion about it on *******....

If anyone thinks that adding stronger parts (and thusly adding some additional weight) to that end of the valvetrain causes valve float, they need to stay over at Whatley World.:icon_roll

In the real world, any time you make the parts stronger on that side of the valvetrain, the stability of said valvetrain goes up and so do the power levels. This is FACT and not cyberworld rhetoric. Check with any real professionals in engine building and you'll see the truth.

Ever wonder why all high RPM OHV engines are using bigger and bigger diameter as well as heavier wall push rods?

I guess those one inch diameter lifters are no good too?

According to that logic, all roller lifters should be .750 diameter and push rods need to be 1/4 inch aluminum...

******* is a joke for any real or accurate information! Unless it's a new wax or tire shine.

Ed

[SLED28]

If anyone thinks that adding stronger parts (and thusly adding some additional weight) to that end of the valvetrain causes valve float, they need to stay over at Whatley World.:icon_roll

In the real world, any time you make the parts stronger on that side of the valvetrain, the stability of said valvetrain goes up and so do the power levels. This is FACT and not cyberworld rhetoric. Check with any real professionals in engine building and you'll see the truth.]
Ed, if there is no plastic tray failures, even at 1800hp with solid roller setups why add weight to a lifter? Or weight to a non existing problem?

How many lifter trays have you seen fail??

I just recommend the regular Morels to people who ask.

[SLED28]

[COLOR=navy]Ever wonder why all high RPM OHV engines are using bigger and bigger diameter as well as heavier wall push rods?

I guess those one inch diameter lifters are no good too?

[COLOR=navy]According to that logic, all roller lifters should be .750 diameter and push rods need to be 1/4 inch aluminum... ]

Why are you bringing in other motors into a LS1 conversation? Sure we use 1" lifters, but not many people on these boards go top-fuel racing with their LS1's. And that is what we're talking here are we not?

[SLED28]

******* is a joke for any real or accurate information! Unless it's a new wax or tire shine

Now I know your talking stupid dude. Are you saying all those sponsors know **** all?

How many motors have you built yourself, not just take the order and get somebody else to do it?

[SLED28]

[COLOR=navy] Check with any real professionals in engine building and you'll see the truth. ]

LOL! And your the big bad professional working out of your garage right?

[Ed Curtis]

Ed, if there is no plastic tray failures, even at 1800hp with solid roller setups why add weight to a lifter? Or weight to a non existing problem?

How many lifter trays have you seen fail??

I just recommend the regular Morels to people who ask.

There have been failures. Check with Black Knight on here.

Ed

[Ed Curtis]

LOL! And your the big bad professional working out of your garage right?

Hey Sled... You're allowed to spout over here all you want. Unlike the fag site you're from where you can't say anything out of the realm of Whatley World.

You know... it too bad you can't get anything to run well. I'd love to see your junk run in a real heads up race and not in cyber-world. Be ready to drag it down to Memphis soon. I need the entertainment...

Ed

[SLED28]

There have been failures. Check with Black Knight on here.

Ed

Ok so one failure out of how many thousands of motors? Thats all I'm saying, juts use the regular ones.

[SLED28]

[COLOR=navy] Check with any real professionals in engine building and you'll see the truth. ]

LOL! And your the bad-ass professional working out of your garage right?

[cstraub]

Morel was asked by a cam core supplier of LS1 cores to make a link bar lifter because of failures in lifters and cams do to the lifter twisting in the plastic guide.

Weight on the cam side. From Top Fuel to sportman class racing the trend is to make the valvetrain more stable. Larger diameter pushrods and larger diameter lifters, both with more mass, are being used to stablize the valvetrain at higher rpms. Yes the Morel is heavier then the OEM Johnson/Eaton/Delphi/ or Stanadyne BUT it is more stable at higher rpm. So the compromise for 27gms is a better lifter that will take more rpm and make more power.

[Ed Curtis]

That's right Chris. I remember talking about Ed Morel's test results a long time ago with you. The small block Ford guys we both have worked with, have been running these for quite some time and immediately saw the benefits of these lifters. So did Lunati and Isky since they just rebox them and sell them as their latest piece.

The strangest thing is, until we brought up the Morel lifters, no one in the LSX world even knew they existed! Now they're the "hot tip"...

Ed

[Black_Knight]

Ok so one failure out of how many thousands of motors? Thats all I'm saying, juts use the regular ones.

Sucks to be that one, though...

Twice!

(okay, the second time was because the bumblef**k builder put the broken ones back in :strokin:)

[SLED28]

Black Knight, I wonder if he used that one tray that slipped thru GM in 98/99 which had the lifter sitting on maybe a 5 or 6 degree angle. It was molded incorrectly. Do you still have that lifter tray kicking around?

[Black_Knight]

I think I do. It was worn smooth along the grooves and also cracked. I don't think it was angled, though.

[SLED28]

Have a look and let me know. It is kinda hard to see, its not much...

[Black_Knight]

Hm, well I found a pair of them... but they aren't the originals. I don't know where the originals are. Hm, that's not good...

Anyway, no, I don't think they were angled. I'll let you know if I find 'em.

[racer7088]

I've seen some older used plastic trays let the lifters twist that were reused out of older 6.0 engines. It seems that when these 6.0s overheat the trays lose their grip and relax a lil but so far we haven't ever had any failures with the new plastic guides I always use. I have had good luck with the Morel solids and hydraulics that use the plastic stuff for the last several years. They are limited in lobe lift though at some point as with a much lower base circle they can go down too far and start exposing the oil galley.

Saying all that if they do have a link bar design that is nice I would probably use it just for some additional insurance as I have worked with this type of lifter in one form or another forever and never seen them fail either in a regular inline valvetrain design really either. The other thing is that this type of lifter avoids any problems of slipping down below the oil galley and possibly losing oil pressure as can happen with a lot of lobe lift and the plastic deals. When we did some .750-.900 lift deals with the bigger lobes this will happen usually.

So a milder street roller you could do the plastic for sure but a big lobe crazy cam might be happier with the longer link bar design lifters most of the time. (If you use a lot of rocker though you don't need as much lobe lift.)

[Black_Knight]

Hm, well I found a pair of them... but they aren't the originals.

Wait, scratch that. They are the originals, but are from the other cylinder bank. But no, they aren't angled.