What's your flavor???

[Ed Curtis]

OK guys and gals...

Nitrous, supercharger or turbo???

Which one is your preference and why?

Of the superchargers, which company has the best pieces?

Centrifugal or rotor?

Let's make some noise!

Ed

[Ben]

I'll take a turbo or two. If I can't do that I'd use nitrous. For some reason I'm not a blower fan.

[Brian Carner]

I'm with Ben - Hair Dryers all around if I was to run a power adder. I like them because they don't stress the crankshaft snout for one, they don't waste horsepower to turn them, and they usually very streetable if you decide to go that route. Heck, I remember interviewing Brad Brand a couple of years ago before he added the Liberty, and he said he still used to cruise Atlanta in that beast occasionally... you got to love that!

But, I am a little bit old school in the sense that I still like N/A combos, the bigger the better!

[Mr Powell]

I like nitrous because its cheap... :(

Broke ass racing for life!! :)

[Ed Curtis]

I prefer the turbo route too...

Especially since Manny is beating me up to step up to one big MOFO in this thing...

Trouble is, there's something about "twins"... :D

Ed

[Brian Carner]

I prefer the turbo route too...

Especially since Manny is beating me up to step up to one big MOFO in this thing...

Trouble is, there's something about "twins"... :D

Ed

Evil Twins? :D

[l90x302]

who has the best turbo kits out there at a reasonable price?

[MUSTANGEATER]

who has the best turbo kits out there at a reasonable price?
Reasonable price and Kit ussually don't go together. If you can fabricate a little you can go a long way.


I like Nitrous for a power adder, but prefer Naturally Aspirated.

[Craig@ETPerformance]

I choice is a supercharger. Not a roots at all, I don't drive a old Chevelle or anything like that. I really like the Vortech stuff but with nothing coming out lately, I have a Procharger. Vortech just seems to be more into the street stuff now, but boy do those radial guys with the XX or whatever make some power.

[00blackSS]

I like nitrous because its cheap... :(

Broke ass racing for life!! :)couldnt have said it better myself!!!!

[V_Racing]

^^^ N/A guy here. All throttle No Bottle or sissy blower thingy..:p :D


::Flame suit on::::devil[3]:

[00blackSS]

^^^ N/A guy here. All throttle No Bottle or sissy blower thingy..:p :D


::Flame suit on::::devil[3]:ya im more about seeing what u can get from just the motor but if i needed a power adder, id go bottle, cheap and effective

[Motorhead]

Cubic inches is my power adder. 800rwhp is cool until a slower car beats you because you do nothing but spin. I am looking at the hidden "Moneymaker" kit from Nitro Daves for highway purposes. For me, FI is too expensive, adds too much weight, and makes the engine a PIA to work on.

[+Darling+]

I am definately a ProCharger girl!!

[Jason Reiss]

I'd like to have a turbo setup, but I'm still trying to get John Urist to make one for my automatic Mustang. Time will tell.

[+Darling+]

Yeah - maybe after he fixes his own car from BG....

[Jason Reiss]

Well, he's got the kits in stock, but doesn't make one for an automatic car yet. I'm trying to be the prototype....

[+Darling+]

Ahhhhhhh... the official "tester"

[nitrous_mike]

i still like the jug for the street simpley because you can hide it and turn it off. but if im not worried about people knowing what i got then a sizeable turbo is the call.

[427]

Pressure.....with a nitrous kicker! I like the turbo stuff best, but blowers have a place in my heart 2.

Kurt

[Ed Curtis]

Something about slipping belts and empty bottles just bugs me... ;)

Ed

[Mike Galimi]

My flavor is beating up on yellow GTO's from Rhode Island with my new '93 LX street car:) HAHA. Just kidding.

I like all power adders because they make me go faster. But to be truthful there is nothing cooler lately than seeing twin turbo cars rolling around making 1,000-plus to the tires and remaining 100% streetable. Who can ever forget their first hit on the jug? There is nothing more satisfying than feeling the "hit" for the first time. I've had nitrous and superchargers maybe it is time to try a turbo...

[Slowhawk]

Turbo's are nice but not very friendlt for the street when you make real power. So I prefer Blower's.Here is 2 Vette's with blower's that drive around daily in rush hour traffic on pump gas.The power is much more controllable:burnout[1

[juiced_z28]

Spray it like you hate it. I just run an open line 5177 kit all the time. 30 lb Red Top injectors and a Walbro 255lph pump. Its good to go. Havent sprayed at the track yet though.

[mongse]

I like turbos so much, I went with two of them. They're bigger than your average T3/T4, but nothing too special.

[Brian Carner]

I like turbos so much, I went with two of them. They're bigger than your average T3/T4, but nothing too special.

Wrong.. :) Anything with multiple hair dryers is is special.. ;)

[TOZ]

Wish i can do the Intercooler pro charger but for now 150 of Juice will do it.

[mongse]

Wrong.. :) Anything with multiple hair dryers is is special.. ;)They're just bolt-ons. :burnout[1

[badass 2002 z28]

I'm a Nitrous junky:biggrinbo

[mongse]

I'm a Nitrous junky:biggrinbo

http://www.quarter-mile.net/forums/images/smiles/nozzle.gif

[Brian Tooley]

Pressure.....with a nitrous kicker! I like the turbo stuff best, but blowers have a place in my heart 2.

Kurt

Hey, what's up Kurt? So I am on this site for the first time and I see your ole buddy owns it? And then I see you post? BTW, did you get paid?

Nitrous for me, had to sell the Twin Tubo kit to eat.

[Brian Carner]

Hey, what's up Kurt? So I am on this site for the first time and I see your ole buddy owns it? And then I see you post? BTW, did you get paid?

Brian - first of all, welcome to the website. Secondly, Hardcore Performance owns this website and Hardcore50.com. We do have some sponsors and advertisers that are a big help to us, but Jason Reiss and I actually own it and have the bills to prove it. :)

[Brian Tooley]

Brian - first of all, welcome to the website. Secondly, Hardcore Performance owns this website and Hardcore50.com. We do have some sponsors and advertisers that are a big help to us, but Jason Reiss and I actually own it and have the bills to prove it. :)


Well, that is what I always thought, I guess I misunderstood a post about "Ronnie Duke who owns Hardcore"

Keep up the good work, :cheers: I guess it's about time for TEA to step up to the advertisers plate?

[Jason Reiss]

I guess it's about time for TEA to step up to the advertisers plate?

Now you're talking! :D

[Brian Carner]

Well, that is what I always thought, I guess I misunderstood a post about "Ronnie Duke who owns Hardcore"

Yea - I can see that is going to get confusing for some already. Our two business names are very similar...

Keep up the good work, :cheers: I guess it's about time for TEA to step up to the advertisers plate?

Thanks, Brian! As far as advertising goes, send me an email at brian@hardcorels1.com, or to Jason at jason@hardcorels1.com and we can discuss that further. :)

[427]

Still not been paid! Still working on it, courts are slow....Probably sometime next year! Getting tired of storing the car and all the engines!

KurtHey, what's up Kurt? So I am on this site for the first time and I see your ole buddy owns it? And then I see you post? BTW, did you get paid?

Nitrous for me, had to sell the Twin Tubo kit to eat.

[Ed Curtis]

Still not been paid! Still working on it, courts are slow....Probably sometime next year! Getting tired of storing the car and all the engines!

Kurt

Anything for sale? :devil2[1]

[SPANKY LS1]

OK guys and gals...

Nitrous, supercharger or turbo???

Which one is your preference and why?

Let's make some noise!

Ed

I keep hearing good things about those turbo thingys. :cool:

[mistermike]

I'm having fun with my Starr/Whipple setup. It seems to combine some of the qualities of a roots (tons of low end torque) with a centrifugal (doesn't die at top end) It's beyond my meager talents to launch it properly at the track, but it's big fun on the street. GTO fuel system problems are preventing me from fully exploiting it for now. Otherwise, I'd have a turbo with all the fancy controls.

[Ed Curtis]

mistermike is in da house!

:hail[1]: "we're not worthy"

Ed

[mistermike]

More like the other way around. Yooz guyz are da big dogs! ;)

[TwoFast4Lv]

I love N/A! Then again with a Small block more is always better. Of the power adders I would go with turbo's and Juice. Centrafugal's and me don't get along. I have a $12,000 Mistake hanging on my wall to remind me of the ATI that took out a new engine and blower kit when it spit it's guts through the motor ;)

I must admit though there is nothing more in your face then the gear whine of one :D

[bassboi]

i am a turbo guy

[dc96819]

Supercharger whipple rotor on my truck and turbo on my car:joy:
Garretts are popular on porsches

[Injected1]

personally, it really depends on what I am building. My Z28 is a street strip car that doesn't see alot of street time, for it I am going nitrous. Nice cheap easy setup, and when you say "I'll turn off the bottle" alot of the
"ricers" might open their wallets.

If I am building a Strip/street car (like the 240 I am starting here soon), I personally like a set of Twins with a big stall.

For purely fun street cars, I go with a PD blower, they are just soOooo fun around town.

I just don't have find a use for a centri unless I just want to put a massive cam in and have a really daunting street car....(Procharged z06 with a 242 anyone?):burnout[1

I just don't think there is ONE answer.

[Oh4GTO]

I was going the NA route but with gas prices I decided not to. I take the car everywhere.

So now Im doing single turbo and forged 347. I must admit im getting pretty excited. Even more excited than with the 427.

Now what I dont get is the Nitrous junkies. Whats so addictng about it?

[WelderMike27408]

ATI procharger. from what i've read they seem to make a bunch of power. but what do i know im a welder(see"Dyno-proven GM LS1 thru LS7 performance parts" by richard holdener especially chapters 6-8. all about sc turbos and such

[wkmcd]

I like the challenge of making NA work well. I do have to admit that from time to time I think about putting some nice dished pistons in an throwing a pair of turbos on it.

[WelderMike27408]

i like the thought of staying naturally aspirated. i know i wont be the fastest guy around in an LS2 six speed GTO but im gonig to try to get as much practical tq/hp out of stock bottom end and modified 243 heads , P+P tb and intake.
not lookng to make a dyno queen but id like to be in the mid to low 7's in the 1/8th or mid to low 11's in the 1/4

[willyfastz]

Nitrous is the way to go. You just ride around on your 500-600rwhp NA setup with no worries that goes along with the other two FI options. And when needed you just hit the tap for another 200-300hp. There's no belt slippage, bulky inter coolers, messed up boost controlers, you dont have to tap oil lines in your oil pan, and no need to let your cool sit around waiting on cool weather so you can get more boost. Nitrous doesn't care if it's 100* at the track or 50*, it's atmousphere (sp) in a bottle.

[SStrokerAce]

NA is a actual challenge!

Centrifigals I like for power adder setups mostly because I make REALLY nasty cams for them!

[WelderMike27408]

prochargers dont need lines plumbed to the oilpan.but the nitrous is cheaper.

[willyfastz]

prochargers dont need lines plumbed to the oilpan.but the nitrous is cheaper.
nope but most turbos do

[chopper]

Here is a video I think is impressive, check it out.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/LSX-Block-makes-2000HP-on_168394.htm

[eficalibrator]

Interesting discussion, as it becomes easy to see where everyone's priorities lie for "performance."

The drag racers naturally gravitate toward nitrous because there is no cheaper way to get 1/4 mile performance, period. The short duration lends itself to this setup, but running out of bottle on the street at 9pm on a saturday is no fun.

The drag guys with more money just move over to the centrifugal since they rarely have to worry about being out of its efficiency range during a drag race. There is a HUGE range of efficiencies in centrifugal compressors out there, but we can save that for a separate discussion I suppose. Vortechs and such are definitely fun on the street since they also give big power cars a chance to hook before really pouring on the boost.

My personal preference reflects my priorities of street performance and the occasional trip to the road course for 20+ minute sessions. From an engineering standpoint, you just can't beat a properly matched turbo for this. Proper installation, layout and tuning are even more critical, but hey... I like doing that stuff! I love the "right now" power delivery of a properly matched system along with the stealthy ride off boost. I'll soon be working on my 4th personal turbo layout, and have installed/tuned countless others over the years.

Positive displacement compressors are just turbos on crutches (belts) that tend to run out of headroom a bit earlier and have slightly higher losses. Still good clean fun on the street for short blasts, but definitely compromised for extended use thermally speaking.

[SStrokerAce]

Greg,

I've autoXed both turbo cars and NA cars and I got to say the lack of throttle response of a turbo is not something I like for that duty. A turbo can be tweaked and it can be driven but it's very unforgiving or slow if you are too early or late to the throttle. At 9/10ths it doesn't matter because you leave enough on the table but at 10/10ths you have to be perfect on your throttle application points or your not going to be there..... in a NA car you can be a tad early and still do a slight lift to save yourself and that lap, a turbo car if you lift your dead.

Bret

[eficalibrator]

Bret, it sounds like your experiences have been with poorly matched turbos for the engine used. There is absolutely no excuse for turbo lag when you have more than 5 liters of displacement. (Even my 3.2L turbo M3 has zero lag!) It's all a matter of picking the appropriate compressor and turbine for the application.

Too many people gravitate toward "dyno queen" or "drag strip monster" turbos on the LSx engines. The result is a laggy response with a very abrubt onset of uncontrollable power that is all but useless unless you're pointed straight on an ET Street or better. A T88 (or even T76) has no place on a street/track driven 6.0L engine or smaller if you're looking for smooth response. I've had best results with a single 60-1 hifi or GT35r (or twin GT28's)on these engines with nothing greater than a .96 a/R exhaust housing. This results in massive amounts of controllable torque from 2600rpm up. That extra 100hp up top means squat on the exit of turn 10 at Grattan. ;) Properly done, a turbo 6.0 should just feel like a naturally aspirated 9.0L to the driver.

[SStrokerAce]

Yeah OEM motors with OEM turbo's but much smaller than 3.0L, basically any of the Jap "Rally" cars. Still there is a big difference between a 2.5L motor with a small turbo and a LS1 in bolt on trim. Either way the turbo makes the motor harder to drive in that application. I still want to play with the Solstice GXP because I have heard that it's seamless to drive.

I agree with you on the selections for the V8's we play with.

Bret

[NicD]

I like turbos because you don't need a rowdy lumpy camshaft or a crazy motor build to get the power and torque out of it. Maybe I am just getting old or something but I like the brute power of a turbo setup that generally doesn't have a very loud exhaust note. I like street sleepers. :)

[bthrb4u]

I'm a nitrous guy just cause I'm broke, but if i had the money it would be twins and big cubes. With the price of twins and all the supporting equipment your in 10k for a good set up. You can have a really clean, simple and fully adjustable N20 set up for around 1500. But i think tuning comes into play a lot more when you step up to the large shots (250 and up) compared to a turbo at the same power levels. I think you have a lot more leeway with a turbo in regards to tuning.

[Heater]

Personally I like building a engine to run N/A, then spray it.


I have always liked the K.I.S.S method when it comes to cars, and that works nicely.

I have many friends that have blowers, and turbos...it just seems like they are a pain to install, and are high maintenance once they are installed (ie.slipping belts, boost leaks etc.).

[SStrokerAce]

Heater I agree...

[Heater]

Honestly I like all motor classes.

I just think that it is more impressive to build a engine that can create it's own horsepower.







(flame suit on, since I've been bashed for this)

[The Manalishi]

I've always heard that bottles are for babies, real men like to be blown. I like NA the best though.

[SStrokerAce]

I'm not going to bash you for it Heater.... NA motors are the real challenge IMHO in engine building, that's why Pro Stock is the best class to watch in NHRA

[wkmcd]

I like NA the best though.

I agree. As witness by my build, I could have spent less and made more but it would have been a lot less interesting. It's not much fun just copying what has already been done ad nauseum. In the end, I've got the motor and car I wanted.

[ScottB]

I can appreciate all power adders, but yeah, there is nothing better than having a well running NA car....and getting accused of have NAWS on it..lol

[Robert56]

I like nitrous because of the always changing technology that doesn't break the bank to change systems around. some giant leaps foward in the past year or so. For the guys that are always looking to be wrenching, well the turbos, when they are done they are done, imo.
Robert

[bthrb4u]

Robert if you dont mind how much do you have in your current nitrous set up? And how much time and thought ie. planning, install, math, trouble shooting and so on?

[Robert56]

Robert if you dont mind how much do you have in your current nitrous set up? And how much time and thought ie. planning, install, math, trouble shooting and so on?
I could have put my favorite TTi X kit on that's for sure. Yes, a large amount of $$ has gone into my nitrous endevours, lol. However, here's the point, my buddy down the street has that kit and it's wonderfull (Chris Stewart; holds the current stock long block LS6 ET record, yes beat my spray record times, lol), but it's done. where as mine is always evolving. So for me, and it's certainly not just a money issue as i am on kit/system 6 or 7, it's just i like trying and doing different things. If i was changing turbo kits around all the time, that I certainly could not afford. I have been thinking seriously about doing the TTi kit, but... This winter I might be going 427ci and have a killer n/a and spray ride. Why? **** if i knew why we dump our hard earned money down the toilet, well you know the compulsion to wrench and mod i am sure. in conclusion, the money can be a consideration for the compulusive modder, lol. Now if my friends over at TTi were to offer some sort of deal, even a die hard sprayer could be swayed, maybe. You going turbo may be the best route. I will see if I can get Chris to come on here and explain what and how much. I think he got the kit for like $8k and installed it him self and like I said runs the stock LS6 at close to 700rwhp. The big shots do need to have spot on tunes that is for sure.
Robert

[bthrb4u]

So Robert what are you doing with the 408 you have now? I'm buying Ack's vette and will be in the market for a short block/longblock!!!

I'm planning on spray unless like you i can find a killer deal on a TTI set up, I've been looking at all of the shops that deal in that sort but to me that is a huge chunk of coin to drop at once, but I'm keeping my options open at the moment.

[Robert56]

Not sure yet?
Robert

[99FRC]

Nitrous for me.....I like being able to run someone and beet them on motor, then say "Lets do it again" and distroy them on the bottle:biggrinbo.....Never had a turbo or blower car but if I had the money to throw around I would prorbably try the twin STS kit on my car with the upgraded turbos and see how that panned out.....

[Chris Stewart]

My ears were burnin so I had to stop by. Cool forum! :icon_bigg

After running centrifugal, N2O, then both, my favorite so far is turbo. I like how it does away with belt issues, doesnt need special pulleys, never runs out or needs heated. N2O is no doubt the best bang for buck getting started, but the refill costs sure add up. I really hate when it runs out. Yes the up front cost for turbo is the highest but it's worth it.

My preference is a fast street car that I like to drag race. It has really good manners, stealth quiet under normal conditions and unsuspecting. Drives just like stock with OEM cats, until you mat the throttle. Good thing for rev limiters, otherwise I would blow this motor. It kicks in like nitrous (around 3-4K rpm) and pulls harder thru the redline.

It's never really "done" because I always seem to want a little more or tinker with something. Just ask my wife she will verify. :icon_bigg First I wanted 500rwhp, and it was too easy. Then I wanted to see 130mph traps, and went to 550rwhp, stumbled across 650rwhp, now looking for 140mph traps. Only have to change some springs and retune. All this on a stock motor! I do use methanol injection to make up for crappy pump gas.
:cheers:

[bthrb4u]

Chris, if you don't mind how much do you have invested in your turbo set up?

[Chris Stewart]

I don't have a total, and try not to think about it. :notooth[1

It takes about 8.9K to start, or 7.7K if you go X-lite. A couple more G's for fuel system upgrades and tuning. That gets things started and is a very nice beginning. Eventually it leads into drivetrain and safety upgrades to make a solid track performer.

[Chris Stewart]

I don't have a total, and try not to think about it. :notooth[1



Oh I forgot to add, I have to multiply my cost x2. That's because the wife requires matching funds for her hobbies and entertainment, to be fair. ;)

Her Robert, fun ride yesterday. Maybe it helped straighten your back or compress it worse? I got the datalog thing figured out, after I reset the module it's working ok now. Go figure!

[Gh0st]

I prefer the NA route but whenever I move to somewhere that has actual fast cars I will go the nitrous route.

[Robert56]

Oh I forgot to add, I have to multiply my cost x2. That's because the wife requires matching funds for her hobbies and entertainment, to be fair. ;)

Her Robert, fun ride yesterday. Maybe it helped straighten your back or compress it worse? I got the datalog thing figured out, after I reset the module it's working ok now. Go figure!
I can attest to how this bad boy pulls, a nice 100' burn patch at @ 80mph on the freeway, with ET Streets. Of course it was a closed track only freeway, yea what ever, lol. I am pretty used to fast street/strip cars, but certainly had to keep my butt puckered, lol. Once we get that 60'er dialed in, low 10's or very high 9's will be at hand, and that from a bone stock-long block LS6, and of course the TTi X. If I were to change up from the n2o world, this would be the kit for me.
Robert

[hitmanws6]

i love nitrous only because i have never had a big bad ass all motor car that will be next years project till then its a 200 horse shot of fun in a bottle.:banana:

[The Alchemist]

I like the idea of a bigger cube motor because there are no tell tale signs, at least to 99% of the people, that you have anything more than an intake and exhaust, maybe a cam. Granted, to the well trained eye, they can spot the newer gen 4 motor differences like the cam position sensor, knock sensors etc, but for the most part, you can get a bigger cube motor to look pretty stock.

After having a turbo'd daily driver (Saab 9-3), I like the stealthy-ness of the quiet exhaust and the torque of full boost at 2400 rpm.

If I felt like dropping $10k, I'd be hard pressed to decide between a 4xx cube motor and a APS twin turbo kit.

[JS1965]

Procharger has better stuff for racing right now over Vortech..
Nitrous is garbage and I ran 3 cars with it

I'll take the turbo everytime :)

[The Alchemist]

So is the aps kit the best bang for the buck right now in terms of less than 600hp, maintain good drivability and price for turbo kits?

[eficalibrator]

So is the aps kit the best bang for the buck right now in terms of less than 600hp, maintain good drivability and price for turbo kits?
Mine made more than than on the absolute lowest boost setting possible on the LS3, keeping the stock exhaust. Not bad for one "single modification." Trying to make that kind of power with just about anything else adds up very quickly.

[JS1965]

Its all chinese stuff but it fits real nice and makes great powa.....
Its a nice kit....

[evltwins]

Im def a hari dryer fan. I have had procharged stroker car and raced a nitrous car and turbos have more pros than cons. The crank snout stress is non existent, not to mention the parasitic loss. I spun the keyways off more than once with my procharged LT1. Like already mentioned, with turbos you can make a much more streetable car that makes big power and never have to worry about filling the bottle

[losls2]

I did nitrous for a few years and just recently switched to turbo. Kicking myself in the ass for not having done it sooner. I've never been the supercharger route but it seems to be more problematic (belt slip, pulley alignment, crank tension) and less stealthy (whinning). Ofcourse they all have their issues. I am now looking for a boost leak.

[crazyhorse]

I like my maggie.Mash on the throttle and nothing but ,hold on.:devil[3]:

[Fatbum]

I like my maggie.Mash on the throttle and nothing but ,hold on.:devil[3]:

I think the old m112s were poo on the LS1/LS2s.

The TVS1900/2300s on the other hand seem to make some sweet power and are way more efficient.

I mean, when you take a m112 throw in on an LS2 and make only 450rwhp...that's not worth it IMO. Not worth the price tag.

I like certain superchargers but the whole "it takes power to make power" thing irks me.

[PSYCHO CRUSHA]

Personally turbo is the way to go as far as forced induction goes. Unless ur looking to have ur car at the track every weekend, running 315's or bigger, running 1/4 mile and don’t care about getting 10-16mpg lol "EVERYWHERE" lol I’m exaggerating of course, but you get the point
With street tire you really can’t utilize full boost that low in the power band w/o completely destroying ur tires and spinning every gear. And thats where a magnacharger will hit(1000rpms full power) In this situation a bit of lag is desired, in order to get up sum wheel speed before you access all of ur hp/ tq
You might enjoy a Procharger tho, worth checking them out also, they make good power!... On my stock block I made 523/526 @ just six psi . a friend of mine with a sts setup ran 8psi with meth, and only made 511/514. Another buddy had a magnacharger that made 540 (I think) and that took a cam and like 14 psi off the same cubes. These are all good numbers, but as you can see these other setups other than twin turbo, have to work much much harder to get the same numbers. Only downside is the cost. I’m sure you know this though, you must pay to play. And taking shortcut will only result in reaccomplishment w/ a lot of wasted time and money

[dca1042]

single turbo,6lt,turbo 400,6lb boost,10.1@135mph,street driven,3500lb,
turbo all the way,for me.