Bret versus Eric "round 1"

[SStrokerAce]

Bret, it isn't that simple at all and I don't think you grasp it even now.

I don't get it.... lol I guess it's that Texas thing:wtf[1]:

Talking with you about this is and always has been a waste of space, you know everything because of 10 years at college and listening to BS at SAM..... on the net is the only chance of having a conversation with you about this and even then you don't listen nor think about anything.... and on the phone it's more pointless because you never stop talking long enough.... hell maybe one day you will stop talking and get some work done.

You're right, keep feeding the BS to people because it's simple and they can understand it.

Bret

[racer7088]

Well I guess maybe Bret did get his panties in a bunch again ! :icon_eek[

[OldSStroker]

Well I guess maybe Bret did get his panties in a bunch again ! :icon_eek[

Boxers!

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[miami993c297]

I don't get it.... lol I guess it's that Texas thing:wtf[1]:

Talking with you about this is and always has been a waste of space, you know everything because of 10 years at college and listening to BS at SAM..... on the net is the only chance of having a conversation with you about this and even then you don't listen nor think about anything.... and on the phone it's more pointless because you never stop talking long enough.... hell maybe one day you will stop talking and get some work done.

You're right, keep feeding the BS to people because it's simple and they can understand it.

Bret

Are you serious Bret??????

Christian

[racer7088]

Bret, also if you can't control yourself and your personal attacks on people which have no relevance except to show that you have lost the ability to argue with logic you may be on vacation like all the other sites you've been banned on.

More than a few people won't come to this site because they are wary of your bullshit and I know the owner and others want this site to grow not stagnate into a Bret Bauer heads and cam commercial nonstop where people need to pay you for your "secret" knowledge.

If you can't understand common english and that this thread is about piston speed and not your BS you need to move on. Any moron knows that air flows from high to low pressure and that this is primarily caused by the shortblock. This thread is about the piston's job at creating airflow.

How hard is this for you to understand? There is no valve job on a shortblock! This is a thread in the shortblock section and not another BB heads and cam advertisement.

[SStrokerAce]

Hmmmm well maybe I shouldn't be labled as the guy who always talks **** about people???? Only difference is you do it behind everyones back be it TSP, LME etc....

It's not like I didn't see the chat the other night where you just sat there and talked **** about me Erik.... the sad fact is you don't give many people respect for what they do, but the worse situation is looking at the stuff you use all the time you don't have the knowledge to know what is actually good. I don't need to drag other people into this, nor do I want to but my lord man... if your going to claim things are so good all the time then maybe you need a clue how the **** they work.

I can see all these years and even us knowing one another, you haven't learned much.

Bret

[SStrokerAce]

Bret, also if you can't control yourself and your personal attacks on people which have no relevance except to show that you have lost the ability to argue with logic you may be on vacation like all the other sites you've been banned on.

More than a few people won't come to this site because they are wary of your bullshit and I know the owner and others want this site to grow not stagnate into a Bret Bauer heads and cam commercial nonstop where people need to pay you for your "secret" knowledge.

If you can't understand common english and that this thread is about piston speed and not your BS you need to move on. Any moron knows that air flows from high to low pressure and that this is primarily caused by the shortblock. This thread is about the piston's job at creating airflow.

How hard is this for you to understand? There is no valve job on a shortblock! This is a thread in the shortblock section and not another BB heads and cam advertisement.

Erik,

If you want personal attacks, Go take a walk and eat a yogurt.... rather than sitting on your ass writing all this it's much better for you in the long run. Remember you are the one who started this BS first with you saying "you just don't understand this" and talking **** on the chat room.

I never once said the pistons movement didn't cause a low pressure... then again you can't read anything and think about it before you open your mouth.

Bret

[ringram]

Not sure why you guys cant debate this in a mature fashion without reducing yourselves to personal attacks. Kind of like dumbing the thread down to democrat level.

[SStrokerAce]

Tell me about it....

[racer7088]

Bret, a certain shop has screwed some stuff up and I fixed it as several people on this website can attest too. Everyone knows about that including them and they paid me to fix it all as well. Ask Scott B about what they really dealt with there. I don't need to talk **** in the open like you do because I can get all the business I need without doing it.

I use stuff from TSP and from AFR and from TFS and from ETP. You think everything but what you do is crap. All these places have good and great products and don't have to talk **** about you but you do about them and all of them have great stuff as well.

No one else has all these imaginary problems you say happen all the time because you are full of crap and do not know half of what you pretend to about all these products. They have confronted you about it and told you and so will I.

Anyone can read Blairs stuff. Anyone can regurgitate Race Engine Technology magazine. That doesn't mean you know anything.

You continue to masqerade as someone who is a guru of sorts and yet you have done precious little other than send Comp and PAC boxes out the door.

I am again talking about what REALLY happens not what EAPro says and that's a big difference.

You've been removed off many boards for many reasons the least of which is that you go on and on like you have this crazy breadth of knowledge and bash everyone else including those that actually do know what they are talking about.

I will have passed 1500 LSx engines already this year. I do other engines as well. These engines have included many drag and many endurance engines and both hydraulic and mechanical roller cam deals.

Joe Mendelis was trying to get me to get cams from you and heads from him before he died. I asked him one thing. Show me the results! He couldn't seem to do that and I liked Joe a great deal and he was one of my best students. If he was still alive I would try the heads he was going to do for us but he's not so you will need a new head guru now.

I know what is in the fastest hydraulic and solid roller LSx deals out there because I was involved in damn near all of them. You were not. You were not even around.

Where were you when we did the first solid roller LSx deal at SAM? I had to make our own lifters. Where were you when we ran 10s first? Where were you when we ran 9s first? Where were you when we ran 8s and won almost every NA shootout? Where is your super engine that you said was so awsome, Floyd's deal on here?

What about the Chuck Norris deal? Did you see the stock rockers and valve tips on that one after only 50 miles? You had over 500 PSI open pressure and all the springs at barely .040 from bind. How long did you think that would last? You didn't even run longer valves with that much more lift and fixed rockers! It doesn't take a valvetrain genius to know what will happen to that and it did.

For you to pretend you even have 1/10th the knowledge and experience I have is a complete joke. I would ask any of the tuners on our board for cam advice since they actually work with this stuff everyday.

[racer7088]

Tell me about it....

:icon_roll

That's all I will add but from now on Bret you need to post up some real results from real live 3000+ pounds cars that you've masterminded and we will compare you to Vengeance and TSP and all the other guys you think know so little.

I want to see real 1/4 mile times and dyno numbers. no more of you stupid BS about how all dynos outside of NY are pumped up and the rest of the NY BS. No more taking credit for LGs stuff or CRDs or anyone else you didn't really do or I will invite them over to these threads.

I think Brian Tooley and Tony Mamo can also compare their stuff to yours. Too bad the heads are so secret that no one knows about them??

[SStrokerAce]

Erik.... so now I only dyno things in NY??? LOL, Joe was one of your best students??? LOL, I think I've read enough just glancing over this....

Face it boss.... of all the people that talk **** and act like you know what is going on you are the pot calling the kettle black... as I said experience does not = knowledge.... either way if you didn't talk so dam much that 1500 motors would be about 2500 motors of experience.

I PREVIOUSLY gave you the benefit of the doubt, but your still the same slob that talks **** about things you have no clue about.... I'm pretty sure that Dennis had you nailed from the start as a SAM monkey.

If you had a clue about valvesprings I'd talk with you about that, but as you said this is a shortblock forum and you obviously don't have a clue about torsional stress. Then again it helps if you put enough pushrod in the motor and not something smaller in diameter than stock ;-)

Again thanks for starting all of this on the chat room the other night, class act you are..... maybe you should try and follow the best advice/knowledge Judd ever gave you... and that was to just shut up and do your job. If you really were that smart half the guys from SAM wouldn't think your a clown and you would have got thru college in 4 years.... but alas you think when it's not in a forum post it's not going to get back to anyone because they can't read it.

Face it...... you yap about piston speed because you sell CUBES to people, I mean that's your job to build short blocks and then put someones heads on them, be it AFR, TFS, ETP etc... you really don't spend a shits worth of time on any of those 1500 motors to tweak the heads or care. Some you do, but your not keeping Greg busy for that 1% of the ones you build that need that. The only thing that concerns you with the heads is that you can make money on them.... plain and simple fact that YOU yourself have told me over the phone. Then again your driving yourself into the ground to do that...

I was right the last time about you and your personal issues causes you to be a total douchebag on the net... this time I honestly don't give a **** anymore... go work yourself into the ground just to claim you built motors.:icon_roll

Bret

[miami993c297]

I initially found this thread was turning entertaining...it is now by far really interesting...

Always something to be learned in any event...or confirmed if needed...

Keep it high guys, want to continue "learning" about shortblock (as I had to rebuild mine)

Christian

[SStrokerAce]

Christian.... even with Erik being a total dick here I still don't think your failures were due to something they did... but professionally I think the only mistake they did was letting that motor out without it completely assembled. But as you can see nobody does anything perfectly.

[racer7088]

Bret, I knew you were in that chat room or should be or that someone was getting you and of course I was right and then you hid like a lil biotch even when you popped up with your different screen name. You are way too sensitive!

Is Dennis your new head guru? He told us you don't need a tq plate to hone LS1s that night because someone at Sonnys said you didn't. Good luck with that type of knowledge. I don't doubt that someone would say that but who would repeat it?

Maybe he was just trying to see what I would say? Any moron knows you need a tq plate to hone every type of LSx block besides maybe an actual "LSX" you are taking to 4.000 bore and we use them on even that.

"SAM monkies" are doing things you never will and already were doing it and still will be when you are done. As the guys at CRD said you are a pretender at best untill you really do something. Someone like Dennis that thinks SAM graduates are all stupid like he says is the true moron.

You and him will make quite a pair as he also said basically every body out there doesn't know what they are doing. Funny thing is that with all my "SAM monkies" really working in the industry he has never been mentioned and I have never even heard of him but I am sure that he is your new guru so you can sell some new "secret" heads.

I also see you still do not have anything but your lame ass remarks since you don't have anything else to back you up.

PS. I also don't need your help with Christian at all. He decided what he wanted to do after what happened with his stuff and that is that. You are right that we should have finished it out instead of the shop that did and things would be very different but he assumed that they could do that and I did too.

[SStrokerAce]

Bret, I knew you were in that chat room or should be or that someone was getting you and of course I was right and then you hid like a lil biotch even when you popped up with your different screen name. You are way too sensitive!

Is Dennis your new head guru? He told us you don't need a tq plate to hone LS1s that night because someone at Sonnys said you didn't. Good luck with that type of knowledge. I don't doubt that someone would say that but who would repeat it?



First off I wasn't there to start but when I get a few telephone calls because of you running your mouth I though I should stop by... well at least we got to the first stage of you admitting to it.

As for the TQ plate thing, it's a shame you are so thick headed because you actually might learn something from some back woods PA boys.

One day you will realize that just because you can't call them up and talk to them because of SAM, or hell where you get to hear ideas from to regurgitate.... people out there DO exisit that make better stuff.

Bret

[Black_Knight]

WTF this got off topic real bad here. Bret, your answer to me was direct and got your point across very well - you're talking about overlap. I think Erik can agree overlap contributes and that his point didn't contradict that, and it's all a matter of semantics here. I don't think that - as far as the facts are concerned - there is any actual disagreement here.

I think it's a real shame this got personal, though, and couldn't you agree to just drop it all? I'm pretty sure Erik would agree to drop it all and we wouldn't need to have all this. Because like I said I don't there's any actual disagreement on the facts, here.

Well, if not, just ignore me as I don't want to step on anyone's toes. I'm just putting that out there.

[SStrokerAce]

I think you are giving Erik a lot more than he deserves... he's calling for me to come argue like old ladies in chat rooms now. Seriously, I can't make **** like this up.

[racer7088]

As for the TQ plate thing, it's a shame you are so thick headed because you actually might learn something from some back woods PA boys.

Bret, no one in "backwoods PA" will change my mind because I really do this everday and can use a dial bore gauge. Every other block in the LSx world has different distortion in the upper bore area. This is a fact that you can measure and see before and after running the engines. An LSX is much different than a sleeved non siamesed LS1 block or an LS3 or an Iron 6.0 or a C5R or an LS7.

Some move a little and some move a lot. If you can't see this you have no business being around engines. When you hone them with a tq plate they become rounder and these issues are GREATLY lessened on all blocks. I do know a huge amount of all out hardcore race guys from SAM so yes I know how blocks in racing all over are honed and to say to NOT use aTQ plate is absolutely silly.

I can change the head gasket alone from an MLS to a Fel Pro and see some bad stuff right away. Real race stuff has rings up as high as they can get them and this is super mega critical. All the power and cylinder pressure is up there in the top half inch or bore. NASCAR engines at many shops even keep the studs and gaskets the block was honed with for final assembly they are so concerned about it.

They use tools to check bore cylindricity that cost upwards of 100K and map cylinders and pistons for wear and movement before and after honing and after race use to analize new tq plate patterns and new piston skirt profiles and shapes. Half the reason they coat pistons is to read them later. Again if you tell Fritz Kayle that they don't need TQ plates to hone these engines he will assume you are a total moron.

To make a long story short I have never ever heard of anyone that knew anything about racing engines recomending to not use a tq plate. Not ever. We listened to Dick Maskins talk about how to set up TQ plates for NHRA Pro Stock and he talked about 30 minutes on just dialling the tq plates in as far as to the torque plate fastener sequences and torque values. A DRCE block is a bank vault compared to any POS LSx deal.

Again Bret and the guy who mentioned this...I know you did not say this but that you had heard it from someone so I am not directly beating on you guys but just the absurd idea that an "LS1" doesn't need to be tq plate honed in general. Even the good LSx stuff is tq plate honed right at GM. Most irons arent and some aluminums aren't for strictly financial reasons.

[Black_Knight]

Good. I was afraid you two were going to start making out or something, jeez.

[Luis Castellanos]

and all i want is a pair of heads....

[Brian Carner]

Enough, Gentlemen!

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