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wkmcd
July 28th, 2009, 03:17 PM
by Shawn Tully
Monday, July 27, 2009
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If you read the fine print in the Congressional plans, you'll find that a lot of cherished aspects of the current system would disappear.

In promoting his health-care agenda, President Obama has repeatedly reassured Americans that they can keep their existing health plans -- and that the benefits and access they prize will be enhanced through reform.

A close reading of the two main bills, one backed by Democrats in the House and the other issued by Sen. Edward Kennedy's Health committee, contradict the President's assurances. To be sure, it isn't easy to comb through their 2,000 pages of tortured legal language. But page by page, the bills reveal a web of restrictions, fines, and mandates that would radically change your health-care coverage.


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If you prize choosing your own cardiologist or urologist under your company's Preferred Provider Organization plan (PPO), if your employer rewards your non-smoking, healthy lifestyle with reduced premiums, if you love the bargain Health Savings Account (HSA) that insures you just for the essentials, or if you simply take comfort in the freedom to spend your own money for a policy that covers the newest drugs and diagnostic tests -- you may be shocked to learn that you could lose all of those good things under the rules proposed in the two bills that herald a health-care revolution.

In short, the Obama platform would mandate extremely full, expensive, and highly subsidized coverage -- including a lot of benefits people would never pay for with their own money -- but deliver it through a highly restrictive, HMO-style plan that will determine what care and tests you can and can't have. It's a revolution, all right, but in the wrong direction.

Let's explore the five freedoms that Americans would lose under Obamacare:

1. Freedom to choose what's in your plan

The bills in both houses require that Americans purchase insurance through "qualified" plans offered by health-care "exchanges" that would be set up in each state. The rub is that the plans can't really compete based on what they offer. The reason: The federal government will impose a minimum list of benefits that each plan is required to offer.


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Today, many states require these "standard benefits packages" -- and they're a major cause for the rise in health-care costs. Every group, from chiropractors to alcohol-abuse counselors, do lobbying to get included. Connecticut, for example, requires reimbursement for hair transplants, hearing aids, and in vitro fertilization.

The Senate bill would require coverage for prescription drugs, mental-health benefits, and substance-abuse services. It also requires policies to insure "children" until the age of 26. That's just the starting list. The bills would allow the Department of Health and Human Services to add to the list of required benefits, based on recommendations from a committee of experts. Americans, therefore, wouldn't even know what's in their plans and what they're required to pay for, directly or indirectly, until after the bills become law.

2. Freedom to be rewarded for healthy living, or pay your real costs

As with the previous example, the Obama plan enshrines into federal law one of the worst features of state legislation: community rating. Eleven states, ranging from New York to Oregon, have some form of community rating. In its purest form, community rating requires that all patients pay the same rates for their level of coverage regardless of their age or medical condition.

Americans with pre-existing conditions need subsidies under any plan, but community rating is a dubious way to bring fairness to health care. The reason is twofold: First, it forces young people, who typically have lower incomes than older workers, to pay far more than their actual cost, and gives older workers, who can afford to pay more, a big discount. The state laws gouging the young are a major reason so many of them have joined the ranks of uninsured.

Under the Senate plan, insurers would be barred from charging any more than twice as much for one patient vs. any other patient with the same coverage. So if a 20-year-old who costs just $800 a year to insure is forced to pay $2,500, a 62-year-old who costs $7,500 would pay no more than $5,000.

Second, the bills would ban insurers from charging differing premiums based on the health of their customers. Again, that's understandable for folks with diabetes or cancer. But the bills would bar rewarding people who pursue a healthy lifestyle of exercise or a cholesterol-conscious diet. That's hardly a formula for lower costs. It's as if car insurers had to charge the same rates to safe drivers as to chronic speeders with a history of accidents.

3. Freedom to choose high-deductible coverage

The bills threaten to eliminate the one part of the market truly driven by consumers spending their own money. That's what makes a market, and health care needs more of it, not less.

Hundreds of companies now offer Health Savings Accounts to about 5 million employees. Those workers deposit tax-free money in the accounts and get a matching contribution from their employer. They can use the funds to buy a high-deductible plan -- say for major medical costs over $12,000. Preventive care is reimbursed, but patients pay all other routine doctor visits and tests with their own money from the HSA account. As a result, HSA users are far more cost-conscious than customers who are reimbursed for the majority of their care.

The bills seriously endanger the trend toward consumer-driven care in general. By requiring minimum packages, they would prevent patients from choosing stripped-down plans that cover only major medical expenses. "The government could set extremely low deductibles that would eliminate HSAs," says John Goodman of the National Center for Policy Analysis, a free-market research group. "And they could do it after the bills are passed."

4. Freedom to keep your existing plan

This is the freedom that the President keeps emphasizing. Yet the bills appear to say otherwise. It's worth diving into the weeds -- the territory where most pundits and politicians don't seem to have ventured.

The legislation divides the insured into two main groups, and those two groups are treated differently with respect to their current plans. The first are employees covered by the Employee Retirement Security Act of 1974. ERISA regulates companies that are self-insured, meaning they pay claims out of their cash flow, and don't have real insurance. Those are the GEs and Time Warners and most other big companies.

The House bill states that employees covered by ERISA plans are "grandfathered." Under ERISA, the plans can do pretty much what they want -- they're exempt from standard packages and community rating and can reward employees for healthy lifestyles even in restrictive states.

But read on.

The bill gives ERISA employers a five-year grace period when they can keep offering plans free from the restrictions of the "qualified" policies offered on the exchanges. But after five years, they would have to offer only approved plans, with the myriad rules we've already discussed. So for Americans in large corporations, "keeping your own plan" has a strict deadline. In five years, like it or not, you'll get dumped into the exchange. As we'll see, it could happen a lot earlier.

The outlook is worse for the second group. It encompasses employees who aren't under ERISA but get actual insurance either on their own or through small businesses. After the legislation passes, all insurers that offer a wide range of plans to these employees will be forced to offer only "qualified" plans to new customers, via the exchanges.

The employees who got their coverage before the law goes into effect can keep their plans, but once again, there's a catch. If the plan changes in any way -- by altering co-pays, deductibles, or even switching coverage for this or that drug -- the employee must drop out and shop through the exchange. Since these plans generally change their policies every year, it's likely that millions of employees will lose their plans in 12 months.

5. Freedom to choose your doctors

The Senate bill requires that Americans buying through the exchanges -- and as we've seen, that will soon be most Americans -- must get their care through something called "medical home." Medical home is similar to an HMO. You're assigned a primary care doctor, and the doctor controls your access to specialists. The primary care physicians will decide which services, like MRIs and other diagnostic scans, are best for you, and will decide when you really need to see a cardiologists or orthopedists.

Under the proposals, the gatekeepers would theoretically guide patients to tests and treatments that have proved most cost-effective. The danger is that doctors will be financially rewarded for denying care, as were HMO physicians more than a decade ago. It was consumer outrage over despotic gatekeepers that made the HMOs so unpopular, and killed what was billed as the solution to America's health-care cost explosion.

The bills do not specifically rule out fee-for-service plans as options to be offered through the exchanges. But remember, those plans -- if they exist -- would be barred from charging sick or elderly patients more than young and healthy ones. So patients would be inclined to game the system, staying in the HMO while they're healthy and switching to fee-for-service when they become seriously ill. "That would kill fee-for-service in a hurry," says Goodman.

In reality, the flexible, employer-based plans that now dominate the landscape, and that Americans so cherish, could disappear far faster than the 5 year "grace period" that's barely being discussed.

Companies would have the option of paying an 8% payroll tax into a fund that pays for coverage for Americans who aren't covered by their employers. It won't happen right away -- large companies must wait a couple of years before they opt out. But it will happen, since it's likely that the tax will rise a lot more slowly than corporate health-care costs, especially since they'll be lobbying Washington to keep the tax under control in the righteous name of job creation.

The best solution is to move to a let-freedom-ring regime of high deductibles, no community rating, no standard benefits, and cross-state shopping for bargains (another market-based reform that's strictly taboo in the bills). I'll propose my own solution in another piece soon on Fortune.com. For now, we suffer with a flawed health-care system, but we still have our Five Freedoms. Call them the Five Endangered Freedoms.
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Ed Curtis
July 28th, 2009, 04:28 PM
Must be propaganda from another racist media outlet...

VOTE OUT ALL OF THESE IDIOTS in 2011

mistermike
July 31st, 2009, 11:56 PM
The most frightening aspect of Obama's healthcare "plan" is Zeke Emanuel, brother of chief-of-hatchet, Rahm. He's the healthcare czar (a great way to avoid congressional oversight) and a longtime advocate of killing off old people and defective young people as an economic necessity. To paraphrase: "People who are 65 already had their chance at being 25." He has the same opinion of the Hippocratic oath as BHO does of the constitution. A real impediment to getting things done. How a Jew could be so like Dr. Mengele absolutely astounds me.
http://facta-non-verba.blogspot.com/2009/07/obamas-depopulationeuthanasia-plan.html

mistermike
August 1st, 2009, 12:10 AM
Obama's Dr. Mengele Admits Health Care "Reform" Will Kill Old People Sooner
Flopping Aces ^ | 07-25-09 | Mike's America

Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2009 8:12:31 PM by Starman417

White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel's brother, a physician, appointed to Obama health care job admits killing old people is the only way to cut costs!


DEADLY DOCTORS O ADVISERS WANT TO RATION CARE By BETSY MCCAUGHEY New York Post July 24, 2009
Emanuel: Believes in withholding care from elderly for greater good. THE health bills coming out of Congress would put the decisions about your care in the hands of presidential appointees. They'd decide what plans cover, how much leeway your doctor will have and what seniors get under Medicare.

Yet at least two of President Obama's top health advisers should never be trusted with that power.

Start with Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.

Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change," he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008).

Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008). Yes, that's what patients want their doctors to do. But Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else.

Many doctors are horrified by this notion; they'll tell you that a doctor's job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time. Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96). Translation: Don't give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson's or a child with cerebral palsy.

He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: "Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years" (Lancet, Jan. 31).

"Communitarianism?" Sounds like ? Ten characters required to activate above quote.

Johny GTO
August 3rd, 2009, 08:50 PM
Obongo is a liar??? no way!!!!

What do people expect? He lied about....
1. his birth place
2. his faith
3. his political leanings (socialism)
4. his church
5. his hate whitey beliefs (white man's greed shits on a world in need, or something like that)
6. everything he has said in office
7. etc

wkmcd
August 4th, 2009, 12:21 AM
Someone connect the dots for me on this quote.

"If we want an economy that's going to grow in the future, people have to understand we have to bring those deficits down. And it's going to be difficult, hard for us to do. And the path to that is through health care reform," Geithner said. "We're not at the point yet where we're going to make a judgment about what it's going to take."

We're going to balance the budget by explosively spending on health care reform?

These people either don't have an f'ing clue or they think no one else does. Name one government program or contract purchase that didn't involve cost overruns - most HUGE. These are the people who have there hands in our pockets - against my will at least. Liars and thieves all.

Johny GTO
August 4th, 2009, 04:54 AM
Someone connect the dots for me on this quote.

"If we want an economy that's going to grow in the future, people have to understand we have to bring those deficits down. And it's going to be difficult, hard for us to do. And the path to that is through health care reform," Geithner said. "We're not at the point yet where we're going to make a judgment about what it's going to take."

We're going to balance the budget by explosively spending on health care reform?

These people either don't have an f'ing clue or they think no one else does. Name one government program or contract purchase that didn't involve cost overruns - most HUGE. These are the people who have there hands in our pockets - against my will at least. Liars and thieves all.

ok, i'll play devil's advocate....
name one government program that didnt involve cost over-runs?? The Hoover damn. It was built ahead of schedule and under budget. lol.
Ok, thats really the only one i know of. And that was done in what, the 20's or 30's?? So in 80+ years we can come up with 1 gov project that wasnt a cluster ****. lol. Thats just great.

The fact is that Obama is a blatant socialist and liar, and he will tell the american people anything they want to hear, anything that will get his agenda passed. He has no scruples, no morals that i can see. He is an egomaniac, and as anti-american in his ideology as it gets. We have a smooth teleprompter reading, socialist, affirmative actioned, muslim indoctrinated, black panther lite in the white house. it makes me sick.

The "Stimulus" that Obama pushed had nothing to do with stimulating the economy. It was all about paying off democrat supporters and fanboys, as well as buying off the special interests of other congressmen\congresswomen\senators to help gaurantee them funding for future campaigns and to buy their votes on legislature.
This way, he has bought the votes when he passes socialist wet-dream legislation like "Crap and traitor" (cap and trade), the auto industry nationalization err i mean "bailout", medical nationalization, etc.

Lets see, in the 7 months obama has been in office with a democrat rubber stamped congress, he has nationalized the housing industry, the banks, the finance industry, the auto industry, and is attempting to nationalize the medical industry and the nations energy producers and all the nations manufacturing and industrial base (whats left of it) with "Cap and Trade". Ok, to be fair the housing market was 50% socialized already with the empowering of Fannie and Freddie.
How can people not see this? It is appparent that some in this nation have realized what he is about, hence people like me and many on this board bitching about it. The media is doing their best to keep the outrage buried though, trying to down play the outrage and the amount of people seeing the light.

What i want to know is what is the deal with the democrats voters in this nation? Do we really have that many socialists in this country? Are they not socialists, but simply stupid and dont realize that all the crap their party spews is straight out of the communist manifesto? Or perhaps the democrat voters of this nation are good people who simply are not educated or wise in the ways of the founding fathers, the constitution, communism\socialism versus capitalism\conservatism, and have been fooled by the democrat party and are now either waking up to it or in total denial of what is going on?

You see, the thing is this... When americans are given a poll that is worded in an unbiased and non-leading manner asking their positions on social issues, financial issues, and politics, the majority of american's views line up with conservative ideas and values. So how is it that the democrats get so many votes?? Is it that the democrats are that great at marketing and advertising? Do half the voters in this country have no clue what they are voting for (i am betting this is true for both parties)? Is it the indoctrination done in public schools and universities? Is it that people vote what the parents voted?

Gregory
August 4th, 2009, 07:10 AM
Drink the Kool-Aid folks. You can contact your congressional representative if you want to make an impact, or run for office. The bottom line is that we need national health care of some sort. Our economy grows from the bottom, and health care gives a better chance for all. In time, the bugs will be killed and new ones will creep in.

Personally, I would rather have that unknown nut case get medical screening and care before he/she does something stupid to kill someone innocent. If a low income epileptic can't afford medicine do you think that will prevent him/her from driving?

I have what doctors and pharmacists consider very good health insurance. Still, I pay miscellaneous fees that bug me. It is good that there are caps on insurance fees. Otherwise, the unfortunate person with bad genes gets shafted once again. With testing, doctors will be able to weed out the noncompliant sick people who don't take their medication, or meet the prescribed goals. Years ago it was smart to get a Gonorrhea test before getting married. In the future it may be a DNA test.

I've lived overseas for over ten years and my wife has gone through Dutch and German hospitals. The national health care is fine.

One thing the Europeans have which the Americans may one-day get is "Stress Leave." Think of unemployment for psychological issues. Also, until we truly have test-tube babies, maternity care is another cost that should be built into the system.

When you figure that America has spent almost 900 billion dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001, spending a little money on the health and care on it's own people seems smart.

Sometimes it is almost like this auto enthusiast site is affiliated with Politico.com.

Johny GTO
August 4th, 2009, 07:50 AM
national health care is a cluster F.

mistermike
August 4th, 2009, 12:34 PM
Someone connect the dots for me on this quote.

"If we want an economy that's going to grow in the future, people have to understand we have to bring those deficits down. And it's going to be difficult, hard for us to do. And the path to that is through health care reform," Geithner said. "We're not at the point yet where we're going to make a judgment about what it's going to take."

We're going to balance the budget by explosively spending on health care reform?

These people either don't have an f'ing clue or they think no one else does. Name one government program or contract purchase that didn't involve cost overruns - most HUGE. These are the people who have there hands in our pockets - against my will at least. Liars and thieves all.

Mark Levin was having a field day with Geithner's quote. He really is clueless.

Ed Curtis
August 4th, 2009, 12:52 PM
No one in political power overseas (re: Germany) stays in their country for the national health care services when they have a serious issue ... they come to the United States.

Even the biggest moron on the planet, Michael Moore did NOT go to Cuba to get operated on. He stayed in the bid, bad USA for his treatments. What happened Mr. Socialized Medicine?

Freedom of CHOICE is what separate this country from the rest. If Obammy gets his way, he will transform this country into his own kingdom so he and his Chicago criminals can rule like royalty. They stomp the US Constitution whenever they can and tout the communist way. What is the count now? 44 Czars?

Still boils down to those who are willing to give up their freedoms for the sake of a little security, did not deserve those freedoms in the first place.

mistermike
August 4th, 2009, 12:53 PM
Drink the Kool-Aid folks. You can contact your congressional representative if you want to make an impact, or run for office. The bottom line is that we need national health care of some sort. Our economy grows from the bottom,

Only in Obama and Acorn's world. In 53 years, I never got a job from someone at the bottom of the socioeconomic scale

...and health care gives a better chance for all. In time, the bugs will be killed and new ones will creep in.

Personally, I would rather have that unknown nut case get medical screening and care before he/she does something stupid to kill someone innocent.

Nothing like giving free reign to the thought police.

If a low income epileptic can't afford medicine do you think that will prevent him/her from posting online?

Fixed that for you.

I have what doctors and pharmacists consider very good health insurance. Still, I pay miscellaneous fees that bug me. It is good that there are caps on insurance fees. Otherwise, the unfortunate person with bad genes gets shafted once again.

It's called natural selection. Darwin had it figured out some time ago.

With testing, doctors will be able to weed out the noncompliant sick people who don't take their medication, or meet the prescribed goals. Years ago it was smart to get a Gonorrhea test before getting married. In the future it may be a DNA test.

I've lived overseas for over ten years and my wife has gone through Dutch and German hospitals. The national health care is fine.

Auf Wiedersehen.

One thing the Europeans have which the Americans may one-day get is "Stress Leave." Think of unemployment for psychological issues.

Hmm... Whiner leave, what a grand idea.

Also, until we truly have test-tube babies, maternity care is another cost that should be built into the system.

When you figure that America has spent almost 900 billion dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001, spending a little money on the health and care on it's own people seems smart.

We've spent far more that that on Medicaid and Medicare. How much did Nancy Pelosi's $800B stimulus help your healthcare?

Sometimes it is almost like this auto enthusiast site is affiliated with Politico.com.

Beats the sh1t out of being affiliated with Daily Kos.

Johny GTO
August 4th, 2009, 01:26 PM
No one in political power overseas (re: Germany) stays in their country for the national health care services when they have a serious issue ... they come to the United States.

Even the biggest moron on the planet, Michael Moore did NOT go to Cuba to get operated on. He stayed in the bid, bad USA for his treatments. What happened Mr. Socialized Medicine?

Freedom of CHOICE is what separate this country from the rest. If Obammy gets his way, he will transform this country into his own kingdom so he and his Chicago criminals can rule like royalty. They stomp the US Constitution whenever they can and tout the communist way. What is the count now? 44 Czars?

Still boils down to those who are willing to give up their freedoms for the sake of a little security, did not deserve those freedoms in the first place.


i've got my guns right here, Ed. I am clinging to them, along with my constitution and bible. Care to go Thelma and Luise on their asses?


Oh, and MisterMike..... i now love you. Youre a man after my own heart. xoxo sweety. lol