Greg and Erik

[Stang's Bane]

I believe that you misunderstood the intent in the other thread.

No-one was knocking either one of your work. I believe I speak for most here when I say we have nothing but the most respect for both of you.

I can only speak for myself on this part, but my post meant that I know for a fact that James's motor is stouter than that one, but the dyno read out was lower. I think that was all that was meant. Even if the Synergy dyno is 5% high (which in this case, is quite a bit) they are still awesome numbers. I guess I was saying that dyno numbers really are not that important. For instance, James Day running the numbers he runs with "only" 574 RWHP is friggin amazing. That car FLYS.

Once again, I got the feeling that the wrong intention was construed by the posts on here.

Erik, you know that I would never putdown your work, and Greg you are in the same book to me.

[Greg Good]

All I did was match the intake to the heads. No magic in that. A teenager can do that. There is NO ONE in the LSx community that has a better way to port a FAST than the rest of the guys (although many think it). I did not think my skills were being called into question.

What I take offense to is people saying that Eric's 427 engine is not really making 580. How do you know? Two different types of dyno's, and the cars are different. One had a locked converter, the other didn't. How can they be compared?

And besides.....who cares? WHO CARES? We all know that a dyno is not much more than a tuning tool. Oh yeah, you can check to see if the engine leaks oil too.

It's VERY INCONSISTENT that a group of gents that profess to care little for dyno numbers are bothering to squat on this engine's dyno session. There obviously must be more to the story.

[edcmat-l1]

All I did was match the intake to the heads. No magic in that. A teenager can do that. There is NO ONE in the LSx community that has a better way to port a FAST than the rest of the guys (although many think it). I did not think my skills were being called into question.

What I take offense to is people saying that Eric's 427 engine is not really making 580. How do you know? Two different types of dyno's, and the cars are different. One had a locked converter, the other didn't. How can they be compared?

And besides.....who cares? WHO CARES? We all know that a dyno is not much more than a tuning tool. Oh yeah, you can check to see if the engine leaks oil too.

It's VERY INCONSISTENT that a group of gents that profess to care little for dyno numbers are bothering to squat on this engine's dyno session. There obviously must be more to the story.

I started the thread, and I'm telling you there's not any more to the story than what was posted. Take a F**kin chill pill.

I've never "professed to care little for dyno numbers." They are what they are. In a perfect world we'd all run em on the same engine dyno then throw em in the car and run em all on the same chassis dyno.

[racer7088]

Hey guys I don't take any offense to anything so don't worry about me. Like Greg said though those TFS 235s are pretty bad ass and that was a big engine with a big cam for a bracket engine with a 5000 stall converter at 254 / 262 so those usually do make 560-600 depending on headers and drivetrain etc. and whether it has electric water pump and so on. He races at a local track and the engine will not see below about 5000 rpm. Could have had a bigger cam and more lift but it needs to be very reliable and he only wanted 10.0s. He should be set!

[edcmat-l1]

Hey guys I don't take any offense to anything so don't worry about me. Like Greg said though those TFS 235s are pretty bad ass and that was a big engine with a big cam for a bracket engine with a 5000 stall converter at 254 / 262 so those usually do make 560-600 depending on headers and drivetrain etc. and whether it has electric water pump and so on. He races at a local track and the engine will not see below about 5000 rpm. Could have had a bigger cam and more lift but it needs to be very reliable and he only wanted 10.0s. He should be set!

Should be a bad mofo that's for sure. He'll be liftin on the big end.

[SStrokerAce]

I believe that you misunderstood the intent in the other thread.

No-one was knocking either one of your work. I believe I speak for most here when I say we have nothing but the most respect for both of you.

I can only speak for myself on this part, but my post meant that I know for a fact that James's motor is stouter than that one, but the dyno read out was lower. I think that was all that was meant. Even if the Synergy dyno is 5% high (which in this case, is quite a bit) they are still awesome numbers. I guess I was saying that dyno numbers really are not that important. For instance, James Day running the numbers he runs with "only" 574 RWHP is friggin amazing. That car FLYS.

Once again, I got the feeling that the wrong intention was construed by the posts on here.

Erik, you know that I would never putdown your work, and Greg you are in the same book to me.

Ditto.....

I took that thread as comments about the dyno, not you two.

[Greg Good]

Take a F**kin chill pill.



Saw the other thread is locked? And this place isn't supposed to be like LS1tech? Yeah right. Did an LS1tech mod hack into this site?



Why would this engine not make 580? Why is that so unbelievable? James Day's old 408 with 5.3 heads made 538 through a locked converter on G-Force's dynojet. This engine is 19 inches bigger, has better aftermarket heads, more cam, better piston and ring technology...and it can't make 580? What gives? :confused:

You can't have it both ways. If you diss the dyno numbers, you diss the engine. Man up and own what you're saying/implying.....that a 2009 HKE 427 makes about what a 2007 408 with 5.3 truck heads made.

I'll take that *chill pill* when you stop jacking your jaws.

[wkmcd]

In the other thread I said I'm sure it's a stout build since Erik built it. I don't pay that much about dyno numbers but numbers off that particular dyno I don't pay any attention to at all. I didn't even look at them. It was not a comment on the build or builders - period.

[Greg Good]

What is the purpose of this site anyway? It *appears* that some use this place as a toilet. They find something they don't like on another site and come over here and spout off about it. It's disrespectful to THIS PLACE.

edcmat-l1 is a sponsor over at LS1tech, but he doesn't say anything THERE about his competitors dyno, he comes over here to do it. Hmmmmmm.

If I owned this place, that would not happen. If this site was originally intended to be like this, then alright, but I can't see spending the time and money on a website for the lowest common denominator of the LSx community to have a place to take a dump.

[SStrokerAce]

Wow thanks Greg tell us how you really feel..... I realize life does not always go well but is it really needed for you to insult everyone on the site because of this?????

Bret

[edcmat-l1]

What is the purpose of this site anyway? It *appears* that some use this place as a toilet. They find something they don't like on another site and come over here and spout off about it. It's disrespectful to THIS PLACE.

edcmat-l1 is a sponsor over at LS1tech, but he doesn't say anything THERE about his competitors dyno, he comes over here to do it. Hmmmmmm.

If I owned this place, that would not happen. If this site was originally intended to be like this, then alright, but I can't see spending the time and money on a website for the lowest common denominator of the LSx community to have a place to take a dump.

Now you're just bein an a s s h o l e. Yep, I come over here and make comments I can't over there. Tough s h i t. Get over it. If someone besides you has a problem with it, I'm sure they'll let me know. As for "man up" I said what I had to say. And damn, all I said was "isn't that known as the happiest dyno in the country?" WOW, terrible thing to say. Yep. I should be banned. Never did I say it wasn't possible, or that it was BS, or anything else.

Funny how Erik didn't take it as a jab, but you did. Sorry to insult your port matched intake.

BTW, I don't agree with a lot of stuff over there, and yep, I have to bite my tongue.

[SStrokerAce]

In the other thread I said I'm sure it's a stout build since Erik built it. I don't pay that much about dyno numbers but numbers off that particular dyno I don't pay any attention to at all. I didn't even look at them. It was not a comment on the build or builders - period.

Didn't they have a 400 cube L92 with a HUGE cam - 25x-26x size that made 570 on thier dyno? Then when tested on a Dynojet was down 100RWHP......:nono:

That would make me skeptical as well.... again I think it just speaks to the dyno and not the guys who did the work.

Or maybe I'm just over here shitting on someones parade???? I honestly don't think so, but my opinion doesn't count.

Bret

[edcmat-l1]

I'll take that *chill pill* when you stop jacking your jaws.

Why are you the only one with your panties in a wad?

I never asked to get the other thread locked. I would bet Erik didn't either.

I never even said that motor shouldn't couldn't or wouldn't make that kind of power.

If we're the lowest common denominator in the LS world, and this site is a toilet, you don't have to be here. GTFO :moon[1]:

[wkmcd]

Didn't they have a 400 cube L92 with a HUGE cam - 25x-26x size that made 570 on thier dyno? Then when tested on a Dynojet was down 100RWHP......:nono:

That would make me skeptical as well.... again I think it just speaks to the dyno and not the guys who did the work.

Or maybe I'm just over here shitting on someones parade???? I honestly don't think so, but my opinion doesn't count.

Bret

YUP!

And BTW Greg, I really appreciated you coming into my build build thread on tech and telling Tooley to STFU. Thank you.

[edcmat-l1]

Didn't they have a 400 cube L92 with a HUGE cam - 25x-26x size that made 570 on thier dyno? Then when tested on a Dynojet was down 100RWHP......:nono:

That would make me skeptical as well.... again I think it just speaks to the dyno and not the guys who did the work.

Or maybe I'm just over here shitting on someones parade???? I honestly don't think so, but my opinion doesn't count.

Bret

No, everyone seems to see it the way it was, other than Greg.

[studderin]

What is the purpose of this site anyway? It *appears* that some use this place as a toilet. They find something they don't like on another site and come over here and spout off about it. It's disrespectful to THIS PLACE.



I noticed this alot too. :(

[Greg Good]

Now you're just bein an a s s h o l e. Yep, I come over here and make comments I can't over there. Tough s h i t. Get over it. If someone besides you has a problem with it, I'm sure they'll let me know. As for "man up" I said what I had to say. And damn, all I said was "isn't that known as the happiest dyno in the country?" WOW, terrible thing to say. Yep. I should be banned. Never did I say it wasn't possible, or that it was BS, or anything else.

Funny how Erik didn't take it as a jab, but you did. Sorry to insult your port matched intake.

BTW, I don't agree with a lot of stuff over there, and yep, I have to bite my tongue.

Grow a pair and go tell the guy on Tech what you think of his dyno, and stop using Eric (edit: and this site) as a vehicle for libeling competitors.

[Greg Good]

Didn't they have a 400 cube L92 with a HUGE cam - 25x-26x size that made 570 on thier dyno? Then when tested on a Dynojet was down 100RWHP......:nono:



Bret

Are you suggesting that Eric's 427 really only makes 480 rwhp?....because that's what I'm getting out of your post.

Do you REALLY want to fan the flames?

[wkmcd]

Greg, I respect you and Eric hugely but you've read something into every post here that just simply isn't there by intent or expression. To be honest, you're starting to sound like an arguing woman.

Relax, have a beer and get a BJ just as quickly as you can. You obviously need one.

[Greg Good]

Edit: I see you edited your post. I'm not going to change mine (well, just a little).

Yawner.

This site could actually be a place that other LSx owners and vendors could come to and hang out.....the place *could* even make some money. Imagine that, a website that draws people over because they can learn something and vendors follow them with their advertising dollars. Look at how many people post at Tech. They could be here too.


BUT the same 4 or 5 post whores spewing abstract speculation and innuendo would either need to find an attitude adjustment or hit the road.

Sorry, but the little group you're a part isn't as helpful to the LSx world, or this site, nearly as much as you all would like think. The attitudes displayed are horrible. It's no wonder there aren't more members here.

[wkmcd]

Sorry your feelings are hurt..

Too F'ing bad..

[Greg Good]

That's well nigh impossible.

Big fish in a little pond. :confused:

When are you and your buds going to do the site a favor and start helping people rather than ridiculing them? Or are you just going to continue to sponge off someone else?

[wkmcd]

That's well nigh impossible.

Big fish in a little pond. :confused:

When are you and your buds going to do the site a favor and start helping people rather than ridiculing them? Or are you just going to continue to sponge off someone else?

Just like a woman...

[Greg Good]

I'm going to fall asleep if you don't improve. Have you ever been taught how to properly administer an E-Beating? I didn't think so.

You're an all-around underachiever, eh?:notooth[1

[Stang's Bane]

Wow, alot went on while I was gone.

I just read all of this and did a little thinking.

I agree that Synergy does have a very happy dyno...

for his customers especially.

IMHO he is not alone. I have seen several shops that consistently turn out cars that dyno great and when someone else's build comes in their numbers are not so great. yet you take it out on the street or the track and sor some reason the opposite is true.

Now that I have thought about for a little while, the fact that a motor that Erik put together made the numbers that it did on that dyno, speaks even more highly of the build.

Put it on the same dyno that James Day had his on and who knows. Locked converter vs unlocked converter, who's to say...

Greg, as far as your impression of the site, I am sorry you feel that way. As far as helping others, it is kind of like this.

I am speaking for myself here, but I get tired of trying to help others when all they do is believe someone jsut because they have a sponsor tag next to their name. When you and I and everyone else knows that some of the worst liars and crooks around are in business for themselves. Everyone can say what they want, but every shop is open for one reason above all others.

To make money. If they didn't generate a profit, they wouldn't be open. And when the people that run those shops can't produce the results that blow everyone else away, they falsify the info just so they can beat everyone else on the net.

Over here, we say things that we can't over there, because if we did, the post would either disappear or we would get banned.

Personally I buy and sell too much stuff to get banned over there...

[Greg Good]

I'm going to do you guys a favor and tell you to STFU now, please. Kthnx.

One reason is that it is the right thing to do for the board.

The other reason is that sooner or later one of you is going to get sued. I know it's a lot of fun talking smack, and it makes you all feel like big important men, but when you say something unfounded, and it hurts another man's business, the legal system allows the injured party a remedy, which is usually in the form of a very large check.

It goes something like this............you say something that Vendor S takes personally. He goes to his attorney to see if anything can be done. Attorney says "Yes", naturally. The internet is "everywhere". So knowing that fact, the attorney goes to his friendly judge, you know, the one that got a huge campaign contribution, and convinces him that his court has jurisdiction. Attorney files a lawsuit, you get served, your attorney wants a $10,000 retainer before lifting his finger. See where I'm going with this?

It's really dumb, counterproductive to the site, and it hinders the experience for those that stop in here and take a peek and move on because they don't like the atmosphere.

But hey, it's not my money.

[edcmat-l1]

BUT the same 4 or 5 post whores spewing abstract speculation and innuendo would either need to find an attitude adjustment or hit the road.



You're the one that needs the attitude adjustment. Why don't you hit the road?

As for growing balls, all I f**king said was, well I ain't repeatin it. And yeah, I don't wanna make waves over there. I've gotten my hand slapped more than once.

Go take a Midol or something.

[edcmat-l1]

I'm going to do you guys a favor and tell you to STFU now, please. Kthnx.

One reason is that it is the right thing to do for the board.

The other reason is that sooner or later one of you is going to get sued. I know it's a lot of fun talking smack, and it makes you all feel like big important men, but when you say something unfounded, and it hurts another man's business, the legal system allows the injured party a remedy, which is usually in the form of a very large check.

It goes something like this............you say something that Vendor S takes personally. He goes to his attorney to see if anything can be done. Attorney says "Yes", naturally. The internet is "everywhere". So knowing that fact, the attorney goes to his friendly judge, you know, the one that got a huge campaign contribution, and convinces him that his court has jurisdiction. Attorney files a lawsuit, you get served, your attorney wants a $10,000 retainer before lifting his finger. See where I'm going with this?

It's really dumb, counterproductive to the site, and it hinders the experience for those that stop in here and take a peek and move on because they don't like the atmosphere.

But hey, it's not my money.

Hey Greg, why don't you STFU. No one else saw anything more into than what it is, except for your little whinny ass.

As for suing someone, you know how WEAK that s**t is? Now you're gonna give legal advice? Go back to your grinder.

[Greg Good]

Spray some Rogaine on your balls ( or cameltoe?) and go tell that man what you think of his business.

[WelderMike27408]

A consumer cannot be sued for posting a revue of the services recieved from a vendor.....especially on the internet...... it is not regulated

[WelderMike27408]

if a vendor could sue me for saying i got bad service from them......Metallica could sue anyone they want for saying they suck......

[Greg Good]

The subject is much deeper than your mind.

Stick to welding if at all possible.

[wkmcd]

I'm going to fall asleep if you don't improve. Have you ever been taught how to properly administer an E-Beating? I didn't think so.

You're an all-around underachiever, eh?:notooth[1

Now you've just grown boring..

[racer7088]

I am just getting back to this as I am going to Hooters for some UFC action tonight. I do agree with Greg though that we shouldn't overly bash the other people but I don't want to sound like a censor either. There is a LOT good about LS1Tech and I think this site can also offer a LOT but we should stay overall positive and Tech oriented rather than just bitching about others. I know I am the pot calling the Kettle black since I used to do it a lot myself. Greg says stuff like he sees it and probably took it more like you were dissing me than anyone was intending but I don't speak for him or anyone else but he is a very good friend and has seen more bad ass engines than 99.9999% of everyone on this site combined.

We don't want to lose real guys like Greg that have alternate viewpoints since that's what makes for a good site plus he's a real head porter that has done stuff that is simply out f this world. Lets just all be friends again and sing Kumbaya around the campfire if possible and have more true tech oriented hard core style threads with as little bashing as possible. I hope I don't sound like a total bitch or politician but I do think this site has a lot of true hard core LS1 guys and I'd like us all to stay friends if possible. It's also easy to misjudge tone on the net. OK well it's off to Hooters on I-10 now!

[racer7088]

if a vendor could sue me for saying i got bad service from them......Metallica could sue anyone they want for saying they suck......

I know myself and Greg and probably Bret and Ed have all been threatened or maybe even served with lawsuits just for telling the "truth" a time or two or even less or because of some other obscure reason that you would not think you could be sued for. It can happen! I know it has already to me a few times! And if it does happen whether you win or not you can still be out a lot of money! Now off to Hooters for real!

[WelderMike27408]

thats not my mind......it the law..... one phrase "Freedom of Information Act"..unless you threaten violence or solicit sex from a minor on the internet....everything is fair game...without punitive action from offended parties....if vendor X can sue me for saying they suck....i can sue vendor X for not delivering the performance they promise on the internet....

[WelderMike27408]

well..i did mispeak i guess...you can be served..but any lawyer worth his salt will get an internet based lawsuit for liable tossed without breaking a sweat....and the plaintiff pays his fees instead of you...

[SStrokerAce]

Are you suggesting that Eric's 427 really only makes 480 rwhp?....because that's what I'm getting out of your post.

Do you REALLY want to fan the flames?

Greg,

Just because your personal life is in the shitter don't come on here and start..... anyone in this business can understand how that relates to WHO you are as a person and how that changes your relations to others.

Man you have your panties in a serious knot, and it's understandable but my lord WTF does coming on here and going on for 2 pages prove?????? You can be as big of a dick as anyone else on here???? When the site is not censored like most boards this can happen, and your gripe about what people do over here seems not to apply to you?

I don't know you face to face, but we do talk to the same people often..... I came on this thread to be a mediator, to try and calm the situation down....

Jesus, take the blinders off already. I surely can see it from your side, try it the other way. If you take what I say here as fanning the flames, whatever.

Bret

[SStrokerAce]

We don't want to lose real guys like Greg that have alternate viewpoints since that's what makes for a good site plus he's a real head porter that has done stuff that is simply out f this world. Lets just all be friends again and sing Kumbaya around the campfire if possible and have more true tech oriented hard core style threads with as little bashing as possible. I hope I don't sound like a total bitch or politician but I do think this site has a lot of true hard core LS1 guys and I'd like us all to stay friends if possible. It's also easy to misjudge tone on the net. OK well it's off to Hooters on I-10 now!

I tried that mediation role boss.... people seem to want to put life on the table rather than look at this for what it is.

Honestly I have to say coming from my side, Erik was one of my biggest guys to stand off against years ago.... but you know what the discussions (not pissing contests like this) were good and today I like the man..... if you ever read any of those old "discussions" you would think either one of us is nuts!

CALM DOWN GUYS!!!!


Bret

[SStrokerAce]

I know myself and Greg and probably Bret and Ed have all been threatened or maybe even served with lawsuits just for telling the "truth" a time or two or even less or because of some other obscure reason that you would not think you could be sued for. It can happen! I know it has already to me a few times! And if it does happen whether you win or not you can still be out a lot of money! Now off to Hooters for real!

I've been served a complaint for running a business..... I seriously consider studing for the BAR just because it would pay for itself in traffic court! I'm more than smart enough to pull it off, just need the time!

Plain and simple people are a s s holes, look at the US airways deal... guy survives to go sue the airline!

In the end remember if someone does sue you and they LOSE then you can COUNTER SUE THEM for cost of defending yourself!

Bret

[SStrokerAce]

i can sue vendor X for not delivering the performance they promise on the internet....

Now that would be something!!!!!

[WelderMike27408]

dont get me wrong...i dont belive in lawsuits ...i was just pointing out that people cannot be sued for stating negative opinions on the internet about vendors or service providers..otherwise people could sue vendors for not living up to or exaggerating their internet claims....its a non issue that some one else brought up

[Greg Good]

Greg,

Just because your personal life is in the shitter don't come on here and start.....



Bret


What exactly are you talking about? Is this more lies and innuendo?

I'm getting real fed up with your juvenile BS. You back the f u c k off my personal life and Eric's engines being 100 down or we WILL have a real f u c k i n g problem. You getting the picture?

[SStrokerAce]

Whatever Greg.... I was trying to be on your side about this.

[SStrokerAce]

Eric's engines being 100 down

Never said HIS engine was down.... said another engine at Synergy went to a DJ and tested 100rwhp down compared to what they ran there.....

CHILL OUT!

Erik just called me..... CALM DOWN BOSS

[wkmcd]

In the end remember if someone does sue you and they LOSE then you can COUNTER SUE THEM for cost of defending yourself!

Bret

Unfortunately only if it's found malicious or frivolous. If someone presents that they really felt damaged you'll probably loose. I've been sued in business several times. It's usually the pennyless dirtbags who find a dirtbag lawyer hoping you'll settle so he get's his cut plus expenses. Even if you prevail, there's no money to collect. BTW: I've never settled or lost. F' em.

[edcmat-l1]

The subject is much deeper than your mind.

Stick to welding if at all possible.

Maybe you should just stick to your die grinder.

[edcmat-l1]

Never said HIS engine was down.... said another engine at Synergy went to a DJ and tested 100rwhp down compared to what they ran there.....


It doesn't matter Bret. The king of the die grinder has just turned king of spin. He's gonna make it fit his agenda.

[Stang's Bane]

Thanks for all the responses. Really opened my eyes on a bunch of things...

[willyfastz]

Thanks for all the responses. Really opened my eyes on a bunch of things...
Mine too:(

[racer7088]

Hopefully people are back calmer but the only person in this thread who's "personal life is in the shitter" is probably me! I have been sick now for a month and have to go to three different doctors and take about 6 different antibiotics and steroids and valium and inhalers and pain killers etc. I was working sometimes over 100 hours a week easy and yet still getting bitched at on a daily basis for not working even more by people even on this site. Gregs someone who's already been there and done that and still sometimes works a hell of a lot more than he should but usually it's on stuff he has a special interest on or wants to. Of course like anyone in this industry he has the crisis jobs that people need to get done too but his life is not in the shitter whatsoever. Both He and Ed told me to slow down or die and that's close to what has happened several times lately with me sleeping 2 hours or less a night for months etc.

At some point you have to just put your foot down and let the customers go. I've fired maybe 30 customers in the last 2 months and now started doing a LOT better financially. I need to fire about 30 more easily. It's taken years to realize that most customers are better off going to Walmart or the like and then you can spend time with the real guys that are willing to pay you for your time. At the rate I was going I would be single forever and just barely scraping by even though I'm doing 5 engines a week for 5 years straight with 7 employees! That's what I call having a personal life in the shitter!

After my own illnesses and general low quality of life here lately I have decided to no longer take even a 1/4 of the crap I used to from people even though I don't plan on being mean or rude to them. I will just ignore or fire them as customers which is really really easy and not too stressfull. I have about 25 great customers and shops that are already swamping me with business and I don't have to deal with as much that way. Sometimes you are just too popular. Now I know why Judson at SAM no longer accepts any personal calls...he gets them every 2 minutes 24 hours a day.

As for Greg he could probably tell the whole USA to **** off and still have way too much business. That may make some of you real mad and I know Greg really probably cares a whole lot as well! If you could all get over your own egos though you would realize that Greg would be a huge asset here to this site if he isn't already too pissed to show up anymore. I know he doesn't have time for this much BS since he's always busy. Also he owns all his own stuff outright and has a huge backlog of work and has a lot of hobbies and interests and great people around him so I don't know where that weird comment even came from. The only bad thing about Greg's personal life is like Mine and Ed's and I am sure Brett's and thats 500 customers an hour trying to talk to him.

[SStrokerAce]

Erik, take care of yourself FIRST! Because nobody else has that job!

[racer7088]

Maybe you should just stick to your die grinder.

Ed, I have never had a problem with you and don't intend to but Greg has been in business for decades and decades and worked with many large operatiions and vendors and been on both sides in some real live lawsuits and won them all. He was not just flapping his gums and was trying to protect the innocent here that don't realize that right or wrong you can get ****** in a hurry if you flap your gums about the wrong people. Even if you eventually win you may still be down some real time and money so it's best to just avoid it all in the first place.

I've damn near got into serious trouble a whole lot of times and people like Greg and Judson at SAM saved me from getting a lot poorer whether again I was right or wrong. If you're right people will come to know that anyway and that way you don't lose as much time and money getting sued by someone that may have ten times the resources that you do. If I was Bill Gates however I would probably talk a whole lot more **** but unfortunately I'm not! Hahahahhaha.

[racer7088]

Don Bailey as a real live lawyer too can tell you about some of this I am sure. Like I said I was a big offender myself and I always felt I was telling the truth and was right but I almost got into some really bad stuff so thank God I avoided it and I ended up doing just fine anyway. I went from way to many customers to a shitload way too may customers. Don is another guy that has advised me in more than a few ways to no longer deal with the chinchy internet people as I will only die sooner and poorer and I know he is 100% right now after this year!

[edcmat-l1]

Ed, I have never had a problem with you and don't intend

I don't have a problem with you either. I'm sorry this got blown up into this. But when someone attacks me, and then starts talkin crap about a law suit, that's just ridiculous. Nothing I said was lawsuit worthy.

Again, I apologize. I meant no ill will towards you, your abilities, or engines, etc.

[edcmat-l1]

If you could all get over your own egos though you would realize that Greg would be a huge asset here to this site if he isn't already too pissed to show up anymore.

I know he's a great asset. I know he's one of the best in the biz. Still doesn't give him the right to go into attack mode. No one except him went off the deep end.

Also, my original comment had NOTHING to do with ego.

[racer7088]

Yeah I agree and I think everyone overreacted but like I said this site can really move forward if we can get and keep more industry insiders and fellow hardcore engine guys and tuners and head guys etc. involved and posting here. I know Greg mostly intervened on my behalf knowing I was down for the count and knowing damn well that these big engines with big heads and big cams really usually do routinely make numbers like that when put together right. He's only seen about 1000 of them! Hahahahahaha!

[wkmcd]

Erik, I think you may remember my build on tech - if you go there. I was getting pounded by Tooley while we were just trying to do something interesting. Greg chimed in and put him in his place. I really appreciated that.

You're right about firing customers. There's nothing better in business that getting rid of a bad customer before they cost you a good one.

Good luck to both of you and I hope you get well.

Kevin

[99blackSS]

Hopefully people are back calmer but the only person in this thread who's "personal life is in the shitter" is probably me! I have been sick now for a month and have to go to three different doctors and take about 6 different antibiotics and steroids and valium and inhalers and pain killers etc. Stay away from nasty women :nono:

j/k

Lifes to short Erik, take time for yourself. You know how I feel about it all :icon_bigg Your just lucky I dont live down there, I'd kidnap you once a week :devil[3]:

[racer7088]

Yes you have had lots of good stuff pioneering the L92 stuff. I am still trying to figure these engines or should I say heads out. People with us won't use them much but we've done a few that should come out soon. One we did 538 at the wheels with a 236/252 cam and the guy liked it a lot. We did Jeremy's car with Greg's L92 heads and he went in the 9s letting off at half track and kept having car and trans and converter issues and never ran it but twice and nvere more than 1/8 mile and then parted it out! It made high 5xxs through an unlocked convert and low gears and slicks. It would have run really low 9s on the hydraulic roller setup it had and pulled to 8000 on the dyno but it had higher compression and they ran low octane race gas.

Erik, I think you may remember my build on tech - if you go there. I was getting pounded by Tooley while we were just trying to do something interesting. Greg chimed in and put him in his place. I really appreciated that.

You're right about firing customers. There's nothing better in business that getting rid of a bad customer before they cost you a good one.

Good luck to both of you and I hope you get well.

Kevin

[racer7088]

Well it's off to work for me but not for too long.

[99blackSS]

Well it's off to work for me but not for too long.

Dont make me come down there !!! Dude, get run down all over again and you get it worse next time around.


(Just in case no ones knows who I am its Chris, 99blanco here. I consider Erik to be a friend not a business associate)

[Ed Curtis]

OK... This crap is really starting to piss me off...

1) Because I'm too fking busy with real work to babysit a bunch of guys who seem to spend all day in cyberworld...

2) Because Brian Carner had the foresight to give all the LSx enthusiasts of the world, an unbiased and open forum to discuss the merits of good quality products and work versus internet hype and crap products, yet some of you have turned this site into... well yes... a "Toilet" to constantly talk crap about others. You have proof, fine... you want to vent... no way.

Greg ... I am the person who locked the first thread ... to AVOID the mudslinging ... Now it's part two with this thread .... And guess what... It's getting locked too. As well as moved to the flamefest forum where crap belongs....

Here's one thing a few guys in here better to start thinking about. When you signed up here, there were a few rules. No unsubstantiated comments was one of them. Proven facts only. Also, no one was forced to put up money for posting or forced you business owners into a sponsorship like other pimp-sites do. I've been VERY patient with a few guys who use this site to sell... that's right... TO SELL their wares. Don't think that it goes unnoticed.

No admin will allow this place to get like other sites and start the "You must pay to play" type of moderating but ... if you want to talk about the features and benefits of particular products and services, fine. You post or PM that you sell a product, and do not have a stake in this site (re: sponsorship) I will ask the Administrator to intervene.

This site is not going to go the way of Toke but it is also not going to lose money because a few of you want to start your buddy club and bash other businesses.

Talk all the crap you want about me, my business or whatever but this site will not put up with any more BS about torching competitors. If you don't like it, leave. It's not hard. Follow the fking rules, teach those who have less experience and enjoy your time here. Maybe a few of you can step up and toss Brian Carner a few bucks so you can pimp your wares. It would be a good will offering for having a site that runs free of sponsor bias.

PM or Email me if you have issues with my post. I'm shutting it down as of right now!

Ed